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serogane
07-06-2007, 09:36 AM
History (How I became a garage kit buying addict - Long and stupid, you have been warned)

(Feel free to skip down to the topic)

Man, it feels like ages since I first fell into the world of garage kits. I remember it started with reading DannyChoo's (www.dannychoo.com) article on Wonderfestival last February/March.

At first, I wasn't very interested/impressed (Just mildly interested); that is, until I saw Max Factory's Ignis and Volk's massive 1/4 Yamamoto Isoroku. It was love at first sight, but I didn't know the latter was a garage kit and the former a PVC until weeks/months later.

After a lot of random searches on the subject (I just wanted to see more pictures at the time), I came upon HobbyFan's site. From there, I went over to the HobbyFanatics Forum, and found GarageKit Finished Works (http://www.paw.hi-ho.ne.jp/reshizou22/index.shtml) and Cody's Coop (www.codyscoop.com). It was there and then that I finally learned about the basics of Garage Kits.

Seeing the finished works/WIP of two of the top builders out there probably played a big role in my falling in love with garage kits.

For better or for worse, I decided to share this finding with friends and certain family members; however, they were not very impressed to say the least. After hitting multiple walls, I decided (For no good reason really) to set up a condition in which if I didn't achieve say objective A I would not pursue objective B. That little stint pleased worried friends enough to get off my case about it.

But sadly I wasn't able to achieve objective A, so the new hobby became just another momentary surfing obsession.

Fast forward to the same month of the next year (2007).

I was living the dorm life. Everyday felt boring and repetitive (2nd year), so I sunk deep into the net again. Then one day, after exhausting all of my options, I remembered HobbyFan's recast site. I decided to check it out.

Unsurprised, I found my passion for the hobby had not died. If anything, it grew in a year's absence. Most of the kits that I wanted to buy a year ago have now been sold out (Including Max Factory's Ignis, recasted as a gk by HF). I was devastated. It was then that I decided to jump back on the bandwagon to make sure I wouldn't miss out again.

I'm still waiting on the Ignis recast gk, by the way.

Anyways, long boring section of the story short, it was Volk's (Volks again:hmm:) huge 1/4 Mai Tokiha kit that urged me into making my first pre-order purchase (I had been following the HF site for about a month now by this point, storing kits that I wanted in my shopping cart but not actually buying them; this made me happy or something I guess).

From there, everything went totally downhill. I totally lost my sense of control and common sense (One kit? What's twenty more). I would buy more kits as soon as I had money in my pocket. This continued on from February to April.

I ended up buying around 25+ recasts. This may not be much money-wise to the top earners here, but for a student living on his mom's money, this was crazy. I was penny-pinching on food to buy more.

By mid-April, buying recasts no longer pleased me as it used to. My mind shifted to originals (And that's how I found this forum, ironically enough).

I figured, "Not all originals become recasts, so there must be tons more originals out there for me to buy!"

Bad move. Very bad move. I hadn't completed even one garage kit at this point, and buying much cheaper recasts was already enough to send me to the poor house (I was barely making ends meet with my mom's money and my pittance of earnings as a school computer lab monitor). I was so paranoid about missing out on kits that I did not dare spend money on building supplies (To my defense though, I had enough stuff to bring home from dorm as is. I couldn't have painted in my small dorm room anyways).

So I researched a bit and found out about YJA and YJA agents and eventually SMJ, HLJ, and HobbySearch. Just to let you know, I had a bit of an "Accident" (Yes I am a shopaholic in case you haven't caught on by now) with Ebay in the past with videogames (Spent about 700+ dollars there; not good, but not too horrible). YJA, on the other hand, almost ruined me.

I spent the remainder of April, May, and the first part of June accumulating more GK goods. Now, as of July 6th, I have about 15+ originals sitting in my room waiting to be built, and 40+ more originals waiting to be delivered. I'm not bragging or anything, because after 2 months of work, I still have 3000+ dollars in debt waiting to be paid (VISA debt no less). Well ok, maybe I am bragging about the size of my debt, but I doubt many of you are impressed.

Now I still love GKs as ever, but let this serve as a warning to all you shopaholics out there. I learned a very good lesson from all this, and it's to not worry about missing out on a few kits. Hundreds of new kits come out every WF, and you'll never hope to build them all (If you plan on doing a good job anyways).

End of History


Topic

Ah, that took a while. Thanks to those who bothered to read it.

Anyways, I want to start building some kits, but I know I'll need to buy some supplies beforehand. Of course, paying off my debt is top priority, so I plan to build to my supplies (i.e. Soak the kit, clean it, go buy some sand paper, sand it, go buy more supplies, and so on).

Can anyone of your experienced builders do an inventory check for me? It would be much appreciated.

- Super Castrol? (For the mold release agent)

- Plastic container (For soaking the kits)

- Tooth brush (For scrubbing away the mold)

- Sand paper/Nail filer (For sanding down imperfections)

- Epoxy Putty (For imperfections)

- ___ Pins (For joining joints)

- Lip chap/vaseline (For one end of the joint so that the putty doesn't stick)

- _____ brush for painting (Heard 0 size is good)

- Paint (Should I start out with only the primary colors and learn to mix on my own? I would like to use oil based paint because I read it is more forgiving for blending)

- Airbrush (Heard good things about Iwata)

- Compressor (I want a silent one so I can use it at night; I will check out the other topic regarding this)

- Masking tape/film (What kind again?)

- Dremel/pin vise (For drilling)

- Xactoknife (For stuff)

Man, I had originally decided to make this list short (As my cash is kind of short at the moment), but I kind of went overboard.:doh:

Again.

Perhaps only the basic equipment for now?:huh:

David_Chiu
07-06-2007, 09:40 AM
The question remains if your enthusiasm survives your first kit... :D

serogane
07-06-2007, 09:48 AM
Yeah, that it does.

Oh God, I hope it does. Man, do I feel stupid right now.

redrage
07-06-2007, 11:47 AM
Serogane: Don't feel stupid. If this has been a learning experience then learn from it, chalk it up and move on. Beating yourself up about it won’t do you any good now and could lead to more serious things like stress, anger, personal health issues, etc. Let it go and move on.

It’s none of my business but allow me to suggest a little moderation at this point: your credit rating takes significantly longer to build than a few garage kits. Be careful because it can seriously bite you later when you want to do something like buy a car, insure your car and buy a house to park you car at.

Oh well; enough about that. Let’s have some resin based fun! That’s why we are here. On to your questions.

Castrol Super Clean or similar works great for cleaning mold release. Give you kit a good soak in the stuff for a day or more. A Tupperware container works fine for this. PLAN ON WEARING EYE PROTECTION AND RUBBER GLOVES WHEN YOU SCRUB THE KIT WITH A TOOTHBRUSH. Parts cleaner is VERY caustic and can cause a chemical burn within a few seconds.

Get some Emory boards at the beauty supply section of your local grocery store: these work fine. Get all the available grits because you will use them all.

Epoxy putty is a must for most kits. I like Aves Apoxy or Milliput White.

I use a little vegetable oil as a mold release because it’s easier than Vaseline to clean up afterwards.

Brushes: get several I typically use 10x0 liners, 000, 00, 0, and 1’s. I paint acrylics so I get a brush designed for that.

As far as paints go, I’d start with compliment of flesh tones, white, black, primaries. If you kit has colors that you are uncomfortable trying to mix yourself such as fuchsia, aqua, etc then get those as well.

Most Garage kit builders I know use acrylics and historical figure builders use oil or acrylic. It’s a personal choice but I’d recommend going with acrylics to start out.

Airbrush and Compressor? Here’s an opportunity to drop another $300.00 to $700.00+ dollars very quickly for both. I’d hand paint a kit first and see if you enjoy the hobby. If you do than I’d make the financial commitment later. Again, it’s a personal decision but learning airbrush is an art in itself and it’s not necessarily cheap.

Masking Tape: Tamiya works very well. It’s not required if you are going to hand paint everything.

Get a pin vise for drilling holes. It’s an indispensable tool for the hobbyist. You can get a flex-shaft Dremmel later. It’s a luxury but not a requirement. A Dremmel can save you a lot of time but you can build a damn nice kit without one.

Xacto knife. Yes. You will need a box of blades too. Also I’d get a small Xacto razor saw: you will need one if you don’t have a Dremmel.

Most people find that building their first kit is a learning experience: don’t get discouraged if you have troubles with any part of it. Just post your questions, learn from you experience and move on to the next kit.

Most importantly HAVE FUN!

serogane
07-06-2007, 06:26 PM
Thank you very much for your thoughtful response, redrage. To tell you the truth, I wasn't quite expecting one. I mean, even I find it hard to sympathize with the topic starter.

I half expected some chuckles here and some derisive comments there (I would have been totally cool with it). I didn't write it as a cry for pity or anything like that.

Just a rant, is all.


Don't feel stupid. If this has been a learning experience then learn from it, chalk it up and move on. Beating yourself up about it won’t do you any good now and could lead to more serious things like stress, anger, personal health issues, etc. Let it go and move on.

Haha; well, I only feel half stupid. I still love these things to death, even if I haven't built one yet. The only regret I have is not having enough money at the time.

I mean, I figure I can just sell the kits worse comes to worse. But I hope I don't have to go there, because the last three months of my life spent collecting these things would have been meaningless.


It’s none of my business but allow me to suggest a little moderation at this point: your credit rating takes significantly longer to build than a few garage kits. Be careful because it can seriously bite you later when you want to do something like buy a car, insure your car and buy a house to park you car at.

Oh definitely; I would never ruin my credit rating. As long as you make your minimum payment (10 dollars a month), your credit rating will stay perfect.

It's the interest I'm worried about. Come mid July, I may have to actually start paying interest since I've run out of games to sell.:squint:


Oh well; enough about that. Let’s have some resin based fun! That’s why we are here. On to your questions.

You said it.

So this is what I will be setting out to buy in the next little bit:

1. Castrol Super Clean
1a. Rubber gloves
2. Tupperware Container X 1
3. Emory boards (400, 600, 800, and 1000 grits) and sand paper
4. Epoxy Putty (Aves Apoxy/Milliput White/Tamiya Epoxy Putty/SPP-HG)
5. Aluminum/armature wires
6. Pin vise
7. Box of Xacto blades
8. Primer (Duplicolor Primer Surfacer or Mr. Surfacer 1000)
9. Dust Mask (3M)
10. CA Glue
11. Epoxy Glue

Question: Should I use the same putty for filling in air bubbles?

Question 2: How long can I leave the parts in the Castrol Super Clean? Will it eventually corrode the resin if I leave it in there for too long?

These I will worry about when I'm ready to paint.

1. Parafilm Masking Film and Clay Shapers (Taken from Joa's thread)
2. Brush (10x0 liners, 000, 00, 0, and 1’s)
3. Paint (Black, White, red, yellow, blue) and thinner
4. Gas Mask

redrage
07-06-2007, 07:50 PM
I have left kits in "Purple Power"; a generic degreaser I buy at home depot for as long as two or three weeks. I have never had an issue with a resin kit reacting to the cleaner. (i.e. melting, staining, becoming sentient, etc)

In one or two occasions I have had small areas of putty that the caster applied get dissolved; I'm cool with that because I don't want to trust a 6 month build to someone else's prep work.

Letting them soak for a day or two shouldn't be a problem; hey the jug that the cleaner comes in is plastic isn't it?

Cheers.

serogane
07-07-2007, 07:05 AM
I have left kits in "Purple Power"; a generic degreaser I buy at home depot for as long as two or three weeks. I have never had an issue with a resin kit reacting to the cleaner. (i.e. melting, staining, becoming sentient, etc).....

Heh, awesome. Thanks for the heads up.:)

nightengale5385
07-07-2007, 03:37 PM
You should also add CA glue and epoxy glue to the list;) . All the stuff you and Rage mention should be enough to get you started with prep work. For filling airbubles, I usually make the hole wider and fill it with aves putty (with white color), Tamiya epoxy putty or SPP-HG.

serogane
07-07-2007, 06:30 PM
nightengale5385: Thank you. I will add it to the list.

Sorry, but I just want to make sure: They're for bonding two parts together, right? The CA Glue and the Epoxy Glue?

nightengale5385
07-07-2007, 08:15 PM
Yup. I use CA glue for small parts and epoxy glue for gluing the larger pieces.

Dr.H
07-07-2007, 08:21 PM
Yup ;) CA glue (super glue) is for bonding small parts and sometimes filling small cracks. 2 part epoxy glue is for bonding larger parts.
Epoxy glue comes in different dry times with different strengths, I prefer 5min epoxy since it's strong and still gives you some time to adjust the parts while not having to hold them together forever.

serogane
07-08-2007, 05:24 AM
nightengale5385 & The Doc: Got it. Thank you very much.::thumb

Arieanna
07-08-2007, 02:09 PM
I'm pretty generic with the supplies i get. Just some florist's wire in different sizes for different parts, bondo glazing and spot putty for filling small holes and such, 2-part plumber's epoxy putty for bigger gaps, and regular ole super glue for gluing things together.

i do have some mr.dissolved putty, but i mostly use that for my scratch-builds.

serogane
07-09-2007, 06:34 AM
Arieanna: Yeah, I appreciate the fact that there are a million ways to tackle the prepping process. Thanks for your suggestion.:)